Greg, Liz, and Ricardo welcome special guest Jordan Haynie Ware to talk about how we use pop culture in our ministries. What insights can pop culture give the Church and what lessons can the Church teach about how we make meaning of the world around us?

Musical Interlude Credit: “Preachin’ Dem Blues” by The Good Lawdz (

Season 3 Theme: “As I Figure” by Kevin MacLeod (

Guest Footnotes: Find Jordan’s book The Ultimate Quest: A Geek’s Guide to (the Episcopal) Church here. And find her podcast Two Feminists Annotate the Bible here.